To: Admins

[acerimmer]

Bring back Jerry!!!!!!!

He is the only mod with the common sense and BALLS to deal with trouble makers.

Eindhoven today posted a personal attack against me......this is not the first time. He was warned about this before.....and ignored the warning and then received a temp ban.

He has been consistantly repeating these actions and (since jerry left) you guys have done or said nothing.

Everyone knows......when attacked I will defend myself. Why don't you use your heads and cut out the initial provocative post which causes these arguments on the forum?

Why did eindhoven make this post? A personal grudge against me!
Why the grudge? Who knows.....but he is making no positive contributions to the forum......and will not be missed.

Eindhoven is nothing but a trouble causer who likes to stir the pot. I am sure he is doing this to get me to retaliate and thus try to get ME banned. He is such a *

Grow some balls and deal with him before arguments go beyond this forum. Cut out the source of the trouble!

I have better things to do, than watch the forum..........just to defend myself from his smarmy attacks.

He might not use bad language.......but his actions and posts are meant to gain a reaction and incite trouble.

[eindhoven]

cry cry cry ......

look at your self first, asking for a banning but also for you

first i had never a warning and i was once banned from forum without any reason, still i don't know why....

only one thing i know for sure that the adm. who is gone .... act very very
wrong and you want him back for your own profits...

well your very positive things to say here, insulting and no respect !!!

well don't expect that from me.....

but ok you say "why he makes those posts" mmm look again to your own post and i prefer to see some prove of what you sad.....
ohhhh you don't have it

again wants you to be banned where where did i ask for it, or maybe
could some adm. explain when and who i asked for a banning

but if you don't insult and not responding on my reactions ...... NP
maybe i would say someting small/funny but don't react back....

problem solved............ but can you do that.......... no....... NP

[stratego]

hello ace,

hmm, on one hand people ask for more freedom and less admin action, but if they are personally involved things look different.

i dont like eindhovens post at all - senceless and (if we go by the rules) more or less insulting.

but what happends? instead of reading his poor statements with a smile,
you insult back with CLEAR insultings.

to call admins is a good idea - but do you like the result?
we must give both a rest - this would be fair.

i dont understand why these postings can touch you. they just show for all
what level he has. and please stop the insulting and let us make our work.
we are fair to all and we watch carefully the postings.

dont condescend to eindhovens level.

but ok, at least one good fact - now i know how adult my kids are.

stratego

[stratego]

hello eindhoven,

please read the rules again. we dont accept these kind of insulting and
a second one will be deleted. and for sure there is no third one.

stratego

[eindhoven]

well.......... IS THAT YOUR ANSWER/ACTION.........


PFFFFFFFFFFFF

fine with me, and i'm happy that you prefer CLEAR insults instead talking about THE GAME !!!!

telling me not to do but how many times you did nothing when i got all
bad things here on Gravon.

but i fight normaly in the gamersroom and do not in the forum, now i did a little tease with using a name in topic.

and get a warning and how many time players used my name in topic...
and you did NOTHING
i got banned from forum 7 days, without any clear answer/respons.....NOTHING

so i know one thing that the mods. here are very not consequent and
now it is obvious to me that Gravon/the mods. and some other players are
not acting fair and clear....

for me this was just a test and everything is all CLEAR now.

just the game is interesting to come here...... the rest is pffffffffff

NO Greatings from eindhoven

[stratego]

hello,

think this was for me...

well.......... IS THAT YOUR ANSWER/ACTION.........

no - i forget the sentence: ...now i know how adult my kids are.

its always the same here -
a claims that we dont act against b
b claims that we dont act against a

a never made anything wrong but remembers a banning a year ago. he is
still waiting for an answere...in meantime b mentions that he cannot follow
the rules, if other blame him. it doesnt help that the posting was foulish, if
he reads this, he is not under controll...

but for sure a and b are both more than innocent - only the mods
are quilty - bad boys (but still without balls) who only follow one task:
to blame all the innocent user here for their postings.

its really fun to be a mod and the best way to spend your freetime

stratego

[eindhoven]

ok good for you.......... Gratuliere

but if someone or use bad language or insults ( me too) you dont act
you wait till i am the last one

no, it's about reaction from mod. when someone is wrong.......
i mean directly (not let go till you want)

if you refer me too the rules, maybe you should it too !!!!!!!

Rules = Rules or not? sure you say YES

how many mods. are here........ enough !!! so do your work well or don't
do it at all

but what do we get Big Talk Small acting

its not about a against b or b - a
personal i don't care what your do or say............i know already how you
mods. are.........

so the Forum means nothing

[giovedi]

@Stratego:

I know it's difficult to administrate a message-board even a forum with such little traffic like this one and I have no doubt that you guys have a different idea of spending your freetime, but this is part of the job you have chosen for yourself.

Usually there's not much going on here, considering how many members gravon has and how very few of them are active posters here I'd say this should be quite easy to handle.
I certainly don't have to bring to your attention that this forum would be almost lifeless without some of the disputes going on here.
This happens to every forum, the only problem here is that there are not many other topics so that our little arguements are more eye-catching than they should be...

Regarding Ace and Einhoven I can only say that you seem to be mixing up cause and effect.
I cannot remember one single topic which Ace has either created or reponsed to in an agressive way without being atacked before.

Everybody has his own way to deal with personal attacks, Ace for example reacts with anger.
Being attacked without reason from several persons way too often can be quite annoying....so his reaction is bloody understandable or what would you say?
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[stratego]

hi giovedi,

I certainly don't have to bring to your attention that this forum would be almost lifeless without some of the disputes going on here.
This happens to every forum, the only problem here is that there are not many other topics so that our little arguements are more eye-catching than they should be...

i think we have a lot of topics and its only the stratego forum which shows
all the insults. we dont have it in any other forum.
and it needs daily work to watch the stratego forum.

Regarding Ace and Einhoven I can only say that you seem to be mixing up cause and effect.

no - i mention the hole story. but even after an attack - there is no need to
insult back. (same level - same punishment)

I cannot remember one single topic which Ace has either created or reponsed to in an agressive way without being atacked before.

if both parties insult each other, its unimportant who starts. same at court.
i wish (and still think) that ace could be adult enough to response without
the insults. if he isnt able to do it, its not our fault and he cannot claim user a`s behaviour.

Everybody has his own way to deal with personal attacks, Ace for example reacts with anger.
Being attacked without reason from several persons way too often can be quite annoying....so his reaction is bloody understandable or what would you say?

hmm - no. then i must go crasy. looking at the red line and the space we
give within the rules, eindhovens first (other thread) post was not insulting. i dont like it
and i think its a senceless posting. but if we delete this, we can delete
nearly 50% of the postings.
but maybe this is the right way to handle it - following the rules - no space -
deleting all. this is less work and even a quiet forum is better than all
the insultings. i will discuss this within the admins. in addition i have the feeling
that gravon is the gab for these postings - looking at other forums i see less postings,
but nearly no insults.

and please dont misunderstand me, its fun to mod the forum here. till ace
posting i didnt know that "dipstick" means "arschgeige" - you dont learn this at school

stratego

[eindhoven]

mmm yes agree but we talk it before (last year) do do do
not say say say


is that so hard to do?

yes stratego is no luck game, so its about the strenght and brain of a player ( yes, i'm not).....
that's why some players don't like the way others play...... so there was much to talk about

your right about that it doesn't matter who starts...... and yes my posts
are not insulting and they are not very nice, but every respond i gave
was relevant in those topics ( not for 100%, but most of it)


giovedi sad it once (long time ago, when he's talking decent)

it will always be the same ......... different day !!

[giovedi]

@Stratego:

Of course Ace could act different but you have to take into your consideration that he faces this kind of attacks and rubbish for a very long time. Maybe he has just enough...

Besides, it would be a pitty if you establish a stronger form of censorship here and it certainly will not encourage people to post here.
I'm afraid that the number of compaints about deleted or censored posts will be much higher than any trouble you'll have to face by trying to adjust differences between players...

Eindhoven: I'm still a really nice guy but when you're trying to mess with me you shouldn't be surprised about my response.
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[stratego]

i see the attacks (all attacks) and just wait to discuss this within the mods.
action will follow - this way or that way.

stratego

[ruben87]

[acerimmer]

My posts over the last 6 months fall into 2 catagories. (90% of the time)

First of all we have tournament listings and tournament news..........mainly for the IULA and the BSA.

Secondly we have responding posts to attacks from eindhoven and ruben.

Occasionally I get the chance to respond to other posts here........but usually these are hijacked by these 2 which turns the topic sour.

Do I wish to be constantly defending myself against personal attacks?
I think not.

Thanks for the support giovedi........I am glad to see someone can see the REAL problem about the forum. Cause and effect!
Eindhoven is the cause and my reaction is the typical effect from this kind of provocation.

Unfortunately Stratego is willing to treat both parties with the same punishment. This does not solve anything!

What happens when the ban is over?

I tell you what will happen.........we will go through this all over again......because you do not eliminate the cause of the problem.

The cause of the problem is the initial attack. Eindhoven admits he does not mind being banned......in fact he will enjoy this.....as it gives him his ultimate objective........a ban for me. Eliminate the cause and you will not get any reaction. If I know these kind of attacks (CONSTANT ATTACKS) will be stopped.......then I have no need to respond in a negative way.
While ever you allow these attacks to carry on in this persistant manner......then I have no other alternative than to defend myself.

Why punish me for defending myself time after time. My patience wears very thin at waiting for action.

What I will ask.....if i am to be banned....is to allow me access to the forum for the tournament period of the gravon ul tournament. As sole administrator........the ban would be detremental to the tournament and to the game if I was banned for this period.

[acerimmer]

In my defense.........let me also add that when action takes place......please be consistant.

Sadi received a warning before a ban.

Eindhoven and ruben recieved a warning on the forum.......before they recieved a ban.

I have recieved no such warning before.

Indeed eindhoven has recieved a warning and a ban before..........for this exact same thing. Provocative postings aimed at inciting negative replys on the forum.

Please bare this in mind when considering any punishments!

Ace