Ace gone?

samuel · Posted: 20.04.2010 21:06 Post subject: Ace gone?

Where's Ace gone from the current rankings? hasn't he played enough 1500+ players lately?

edit - just checked and thats correct in fact, Ace has to play 13 more games against 1500+ players to re-appear on the ranking list! Has this exposed a flaw in the new system? Perhaps he can't find that many adequate players online enough of the time to play a 1:4 ratio?

acerimmer · Posted: 20.04.2010 21:50 Post subject:

not 1/4....... I think someone moved the goal posts?

Maybe it is 1/3?
Who knows.....I do not see any message?

Last I looked my 1500+ games were around 30%.

Unfortunatley I have no time between now and May 6th to play so many games........I have an election to win.

spion · Posted: 20.04.2010 21:58 Post subject:

Hi,

after a VERY long discussion we've changed the ratio to 1:2. That means you have to play at least every 3rd game against an adequate opponent.

Ace now needs another few games to be in again.

Best regards
Thorsten

samuel · Posted: 21.04.2010 01:09 Post subject:

Who, just the top 10 or everyone? I think the ratio is way too high now. Just my opinion...

gentleben · Fortgeschrittener Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 103

Samuel, the 1 out of 3 only applies to the top 10. It is 1 out of 4 for everyone else. And I have been vocal in the past about how 1500+ players make up roughly 33% of the players on gravon, though that is not true so far this year but it has been true for the last 3-4 years. Since that is generally true, asking top players to consistently play the better players is fair. I do not think it is too high but I would like to see the 1 out of 3 ratio applied to the top 20.

stratego · Posted: 21.04.2010 15:57 Post subject:

hi all,

the rules for the challenge ranking are explained at the challenge website:

http://www.gravon.de/gravon/stratego/rating2010.jsp?language=english

and the ratio is for all players - not only the top 10 !!!

i add a table at gravopedia for some further information (top20 players):

link: http://gravopedia.gravon.de/index.php/Challange_Ranking_Ratio

stratego

spion · Posted: 22.04.2010 00:20 Post subject:

The ratio is 1:2 (1 out of 3 games) for ALL players, not only top 10.

This may sound harder than it is:
The lower your rating is, the easier it is to play against an adequate opponent. Imagine someone with a rating of 1200: He may play everyone with at least 1000 to have an adequate opponent. So he has nearly free choice.

So it does not make sense to use a lower ratio for lower rated players. Lower rated players should have no problem maintaining a 1:2 ratio.

@Samuel: Your ratio currently is close to 1:1 so why do you think 1:2 is too hard?

Best regards
Thorsten

gentleben · Fortgeschrittener Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 103

Ok, I was wrong. Thanks for the clarification. The new system is good.

acerimmer · Posted: 03.05.2010 15:16 Post subject:

FFS, I have dissapeared off the rankings AGAIN!

samuel · Posted: 03.05.2010 16:51 Post subject:

Be careful what you wish for...

Maybe it should be reverted back to a 1:4 ratio then?

acerimmer · Posted: 03.05.2010 17:30 Post subject:

I never said anything about 34% of games above 1500.

To my mind 20 or 25% is enough to make any player, play a sufficient amount of opponents above 1500.

Currently we have only 24% of players above 1500.......and several of those players just refuse my games which reduces this down to less than 20%.

Surely the whole point was to remove the advantage of players who AVOID playing players of similar strength?
20 or 25 % does this task......anything above is OVERKILL!!!!

What result has it had on me? Simple.....I have had to decline several games because these players are TOO LOW.

ok....so the result is I play less here!

unbiasbob · Alter Hase Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 604

Hey Ace, it's easy man. This system is really a cakewalk. All you gotta do is have a 4 or 5 game marathon with GB, NC, PW, Zach or anyone else above 1500. I adore this new system. I feel like I see the true champs at the top. Anyone who wants to challenge them can do.

gentleben · Fortgeschrittener Joined: 02 Sep 2006 Posts: 103

Bob, Ace is sulking. Things are not going his way.

samuel · Posted: 28.05.2010 22:28 Post subject:

To be fair it looks like he's waiting to play gpet0 at the moment, but gpet is waiting for some loser who ran off to run out of time. Though its not a ranking game...

unbiasbob · Alter Hase Joined: 21 Jun 2005 Posts: 604